The Conservative Christian Case Against ICE (Derrick Broze on The Shannon Joy Show)

Well, and let's, let's get into it then, because the violence that we're seeing in Minnesota, the heavy handed quasi fascistic police state brutality that we're seeing on the streets of suburbs in Minnesota that they seek to now export to the rest of the country, you know, all of this kind of stems from the problem of illegal immigration. And you know, I would even say, Derek, you know, this is what gets me. I am a conservative, I'm a Christian. I believe in rule of, rule of law. I believe in law and order. I believe in borders, I believe in boundaries. I believe that, that illegal immigrants who are here illegally should go back to their home countries. And I believe all of those things. And I'm not changing my position on that. But I can't get past the fact that so many of the illegal immigrants that we're talking about today were smuggled into the interior of the United States of America by our own governments, our own intelligence agencies, you know, non governmental organizations, all of these organizations that are pipelined to our politicians in Washington, D.C. and global politicians. Right. You know, this was a systematic import of illegals with the purpose of destabilizing the United States of America. And then also about aiding and abetting the trafficking of, of children, the trafficking of drugs and humans and weapons into the country and out of the country. Like, you know, all of the problems that we're seeing in Minnesota and that we're going to see in cities across the country are problems that this government, two parties, both Democrats and Republicans, have created. And, you know, this is such an important point for people to understand. It seems like we can never get to that point. Like they're so good at dividing us into the factions and ginning up the hatred. But, you know, what are your thoughts on what's happening regarding the ICE roundups in Minnesota? Let's start there. But also, you know, linking that to your research and a lot of the research that you do on your site.

Yeah. So, Shannon, I just want to say that I think it's something that I do commend you for everything you just said there as far as your positions as a Christian, as a conservative, and your beliefs about immigration and immigration policy and still being willing to call out the violence that is happening, because I think that there are a lot of people who hold those positions that you have, but then because of that, they don't allow themselves to say, but this is wrong. The way this is being handled is wrong. And this is not going to end up somewhere good. And I've been trying to kind of put that talking point out there, as you said, we're kind of having to swim through a sea of propaganda and division, which is absolutely by design. You know, you must be this side or you must be this side, when most of the time life is more complex and not black and white. But the fact remains that the immigration, police state, which is what it is, I believe this is all being done by design. And I've been saying this since the beginning of Trump's first term back in 2015, that one of the issues that they would use is. Well before we knew about COVID of course, Covid, a couple of years, we saw the bio security, police state related to vaccines and lockdowns and all that sort of stuff that still is relevant. But for now, that card has been set aside. The card that is being played and the card that was being played during Trump's first term is immigration. And I've been putting out reports since. Since then. You can find them on the Conscious Resistance, just search immigration, warning that this issue would be used to build a police state and it would be used to divide the masses. And I think this is all being done by design by the folks that are really at the top, what I tend to call the predator class, the people at the top of the pyramid of power who use issues like this to create the divide and conquer. So on one hand, they weaponize immigration, whether you're talking about in Europe or the United States. And what I mean by that is they allow certain border policies that are lax so that floods of people can come in. And of course, at the same time, we have to acknowledge that a lot of people are trying to get away from violence at their home countries, largely because of U.S. foreign policy, because of U.S. intervention, because of CIA coups and overthrowing. Like, there's that whole legacy and history that I don't think a lot of conservatives are contending with, going back to the 50s of the US overthrowing Latin American countries. Those problems haven't been solved in the last seven years. So there's still a lot of, you know, you, you, when you overthrow a country, you create chaos that leads to things like gangs, that leads to things like cartels, that leads to a fracturing of the normalcy in a certain country. Those problems still exist, including in the country that I live in now, in Mexic and elsewhere. And there are many people who are still dealing with those, those circumstances. And so they choose to try to find a better life. And, well, the United States is one of those places that people look to. So you kind of have this typical problem reaction, solution scenario going on. A problem is created or allowed to fester, the people react. In this case, you could say foreigners of Latin American and South American countries as well as elsewhere, let's say in the Middle east, there's a lot of them who've come to the US as well, saying like, I'm trying to get away from violence and the US seems like a better life for me. And they, they try to do so. And some of them come legally, maybe others come illegally. Sometimes people also cross with the, the belief because they're being brought by human traffickers, they believe that they're coming legally, they get lied to and they say, yeah, your paperwork's going to be all up to par. And they get there and then later on realize, oh wait, I'm not here legally and now I owe this guy money. There's a lot of complicated situations in that.

Yeah. To your point, I don't want to, I don't want to interrupt you too much, but you know, these non governmental organizations that I mentioned, Catholic Charities would be one of those organizations and there are a whole host of them, very well funded, probably seeded by billionaires, trillionaires, oligarchs, and they are sending people into the interior of these countries. They are putting them on planes, trains and automobiles. They are giving them the necessary paperwork they need to get over the border and they are selling them a bill of goods. And I just imagine, you know, a, a family escaping violence and in a foreign country, they don't speak our language. Someone comes to them and says, hey, did you know, like there's this program and if you just do this sign here, get on the bus, we'll, we'll take you to a better place and you can have education and healthcare. Like who wouldn't take that? Like who wouldn't do that? And so then these people, you know, so it's just not, and I tell, I'm not becoming a bleeding heart liberal, I promise. Like, you should go home.

It's a multi layered situation I think is kind of the point here, right. Is that there's, it's not as simple as maybe some conservatives or right wingers or MAGA would like to say that, okay, this is all just men of military age. It's an invasion. It's, you know, there's all these different talking points that get thrown around. There might be some truth to that mixed in there as well. But you know, my point with bringing up the foreign policy is just to start with that the situation is more complex than people want to believe. So you've got this, you know, trapstorm of stuff coming in, people coming in. And of course, as you said, Democratic politicians and others literally bringing people, shipping them to random parts of the country, dropping them off. I don't think it's the fault of most of these people who are generally just seeking a better life. And I think most people who are living in a war zone or coming from a place of violence, if they had, looking at their kids and their family, they would probably do the exact same thing if they thought it would make something better. So we have that situation going on, but then it's been brewing, it's been festering. And so during Trump's first term, of course, during the Biden years, the, this issue has been rising. And from my perspective and my analysis, there was also lots of false propaganda being circulated in right wing circles. Things about like, foreigners eating their pets and things which don't really, I don't think, really go back to any factual information. And again, I know that it's a complex issue and you could probably find one example of something that gets then turned into this big story and then the next thing you know, it's repeated everywhere ad nauseam and people are like, they're coming to eat our pets and they're all violent gang members. And Trump, of course, is literally saying this. They're sending rapists, they're sending murderers, they're sending killers. Right. So this is getting beated into people's minds. That builds up over time. And then of course, Trump says, elect me and I will do something about it. We're going to have the biggest, largest deportation operation ever. Promises he's only going to go after violent criminals. We've obviously seen that that's not the case. And many people are still cheering it on, even though American citizens are starting to be targeted. And I've had people say this to me and I've seen you battling them out there, where an American citizen gets detained for, for 48 to 72 hours, which I don't know about you guys, but it probably would be pretty traumatic to get taken by ICE because these guys aren't just being nice. Okay, yeah. Hey, we need to go take you and check your paperwork. It'll be okay. If we're wrong, we'll let you go. No, they're kidnapping people violently. Anybody who opposes them potentially could be killed or beaten up and then, whoops, sorry, our bad, and we'll let you go. Like that is a traumatic thing. Not only is It a violation of the Constitution, the fourth Amendment, you know, basic human decency, you know, human rights, all this sorts of stuff. It just, I think though this was built by design, that everything we are witnessing has been done by design to get the conservatives who typically are against big government and typically against tyranny like this, to cheer it on. As long as it's happening to so called illegals, even though we know that's.

Not the case, it will never, ever, ever end with illegals. It will always. We're already seeing it, right? We are see they are normalizing the, the harassment and the persecution, the detainment and the abuse of American citizens. Renee Goode was an American citizen. Whether you agree with her tactics or not, whether or not she was, she was, you know, irritating or making, you know, it difficult for ICE officials to, to complete their tasks, she was still an American citizen. And we have a video here, there just recently, you know, and it's interesting, I was talking to my mom the other day about how all of this is happening. You know, the Somali daycare centers where all the fraud was happening and now all of the ICE action is happening. It's in Minnesota. Like you really can see that. It, it's a, it's a theater, right? It's a, it's a controlled theater. You have all the actors, you have, you know, Tim Waltz, the Democrat governor, he's gonna play his role and fan the flames for the left. And you have Donald Trump and Kristi Noem, they'll play their role and fan the flames for the right. And you can just see it becoming a tinderbox. But then you can see that justification. Well, screw it all. You know, deploy the military. Forget about ice. Deploy the military everywhere. And that's what we have two videos we're going to look at when we come back with you, Derek, as we continue to take this issue apart. Unfortunately, this, I think, is going to be the reality of 2026. Our job is to be able to identify psyops very quickly, to be able to identify the problem, reaction, solution very quickly, to call out both sides of the political aisle, left and right, very quickly, so that we, the people of the United States of America, can make sure that we're not used as pawns in their agenda to destroy our Constitution, our way of life, our pursuit of happiness and our liberty. Like that's the mission, Derek. And unless we understand this larger picture that we're going to try to explain to you through this issue of ICE in Minnesota, we're not going to be able to do that. So let's look at those videos when we come back. Today we are joined by Derek Bros. He is the founder and the editor in chief over at the Conscious Resistance Network. It's the Conscious resistance dot com. You can also of course follow Derek on Twitter. I follow him as well. We will be back to continue this discussion with him in a moment here on the Shannon Joy Show. Welcome back everyone to the Shannon Joy Show. Today we are looking at the ICE overreach in Minnesota and calls now from the Republican conservative right to expand the military occupation in to more cities across the country. That happened on Steve Bannon's war room just yesterday. We're going to look at that video in a moment. We are joined today by Derek Bros, an independent investigative researcher and journalist and the editor in chief over at the Conscious Resistance to talk about this topic. There was another video released yesterday, Derek, and this is video of a 17 year old target worker who was heckling and using expletives, very disrespectful expletives, but also videotaping ICE agents. He was a U.S. citizen and he was tackled. He was detained and then released hours later, apparently in a Walmart. So the, the arrest happened at Target. He ended up at, at Walmart. He's 17 years old. Of course, 99% of conservative media is saying this is justified. The Department of Homeland Security came out with a tweet yesterday saying that it was a justifiable arrest because he was, he was harassing or. No, he was impeding on the actions of ice. This is a video, it was a short video yesterday. And of course all of the circus clowns on the right were like, oh, do you see the full video? He hit the nice agent. We have the whole video here before and after. And there's a couple of things I want you guys to look for in this video. First and foremost, was this young man, you know, impeding these officers and whatever it is they were seeking to achieve and did he assault them? Which was that was the justification that the DoH, you know, you know, listed as reason for his arrest. But then I'd also like you to, to look at the demeanor of these ICE agents and ask yourself whether or not they are conducting themselves professionally with prudence, in a manner that seeks to calm situations down and contribute to law and order, or are they conducting themselves with a demeanor that is intended to agitate and frighten and terrify and horrify. And this is what I think the issue is. This is why I am convinced, as I mentioned Derek, I think that Minnesota is a theater. I think that there are actors on the ground. Not all of them, but some. I think that the political actors are playing their parts. Waltz and Donald Trump. And that this is indeed a psyop designed to acclimate and normalize police state tactics and surveillance tactics in the US and they want to export this into other states. That's my operating thesis. And we're going to get. You know, I'll talk to you about that in a minute. But Derek, let's take a look at this video and then I'd like to get your thoughts on. On what happened in Minnesota, huh?

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All right, so that Young man in Target, 17 years old. This is the young man they said hit an ICE officer, which justified the arrest, the attainment, the detainment of ice. Derek Bros is with us today to go over this. He has now been released. He was released at a Walmart, in my opinion. This is horrifying. Absolutely horrifying. It is. It is illegal, immoral, unconstitutional, not justifiable in any way, shape or form. Derek, what are your thoughts?

I absolutely agree. I mean, first off, on what you said a moment ago, I do think there's some kind of psyop going on in Minnesota. I don't think it's a coincidence that you have this Somali fraud story kind of exploding overnight. Which not to say that there isn't any fraud there, but it just seems so convenient that the focus goes on Minneapolis, goes on that state. People are in right wing media and also are getting, you know, upset. There's this pushback, and then all of a sudden the shooting of Renee Goode happens. And not to say that shooting wasn't real or anything like that, but it Just seems so convenient and, and coincidental that all the energy and all the attention is being pulled that way. And as far as this whole target thing, I've seen these videos going around. Yeah, I mean, look, they're those guys, those young men, they weren't impeding with anything. Sure, they're cussing at the cops and probably that's not an advisable strategy, although I understand the frust. But it's not illegal, it's not unconstitutional. In fact, the Constitution protects, as the Supreme Court has said, you can give cops a middle finger if you want. You can cuss at them again. That doesn't mean they won't then use that as an excuse to try to bother you and harass you, as we see here. But technically it is 100% illegal whether people agree with it or not. You know, that's, that's up for debate. But it is constitutionally protected. It is legal. They didn't try to stop them from doing anything. They're just standing there and. Yeah, expressing their opinion. No matter how ugly people might think it is or the words they use, they might not agree with. They didn't do anything wrong. But of course that gets the attention turned on them. The other point I want to mention is that that guy that, that said you American citizen and started taking a picture with him, that is Greg Bovino, who is one of the heads of border patrol. And he has been getting a lot of attention. I think he needs more attention because that guy is largely behind this whole kind of authoritarian push. He, in my view, seems to be really championing that, like you said, this sort of unprofessional mentality behind ICE and this authorit mentality. And the other thing is, I sent a couple articles there, if you guys got them, that there recently was reporting that ICE is using this particular app to scan the faces of people on the street. And so he wasn't just taking a selfie, I guarantee you what he was doing was taking that picture and then uploading it to a facial recognition database to confirm whether he's an American citizen. And so this whole idea that they needed to kidnap this guy and go, you know, because as you said, there's after video where they, they take him away. The guy comes out, he's crying his eyes out, he's apparently bleeding, saying they beat him up and then they drop him off. Right. So for one, I think that technology is dangerous. It's part of the march towards the technocratic state where we're just going to be scanned everywhere we go. To determine your citizenship. But if they are using that technology, which supposedly is going to make their jobs easier and quicker, then why couldn't they just scan his face? Okay, he is an American citizen. You know, whatever. He's talking crap about us. Let's move on. It's because they are trying to send a message. They want anybody who is opposing them or standing against them or even just being critical of them with their words, which I guess now the right wing believes words are violence. If that, if that's impeding that, they want people to get the message. If you stand against us, if you oppose us, if you call us out, we will harass you. You will become our focus. You will become the target. And I think that is a very dangerous message that we all need to be concerned about.

It's interesting that you mentioned Greg Bovino, because it was his energy that I picked up on. He's. He's strutting out of his car and he's got this scarf around his neck. Why are you wearing a scarf? Is that smart for a military person who might get involved in scuffles and have to do athletic things? Are you, are you supposed to have a scarf flopping around your neck? Like, who are you? And he goes, he goes, get out of my way. Can't you see I'm walking here as if he owns the streets? Right? And so these, these guys, in fact, I'll take it one step forward from what you just said. Clearly they used expletives and swear words. I agree with you. If I were the left, I wouldn't be doing that right now. I'd be very, very clear and concise. I would say I'm here observing you, videotaping you, because this is illegal, unconstitutional and immoral. And, you know, where's your badge? What is your name? And I would just. And I, you know, that's what I would do if I were in that situation. And this is why I think there might be actors on the left who are also agitating or getting people to act in an agitated manner. But, you know, I think it's very important. I actually commend. I never thought I would say this, but, you know, for those on the left, people who are. Are, you know, classical liberals who still believe in the Constitution and believe in freedom of the press. We're all citizen journalists now. What they're doing is a great service. These videos that they're taking are critically important for people to see and understand. Because, guys, this is going to come to your town or village or city next Complete with the facial recognition technology. And by the way, Kristi Noem just told us they're going to use the drones. They're going to use the drones and they're going to justify a multi, probably $100 billion contract with Palantir and the techno fascists to make sure we're all safe in our cities in 2026 moving forward. Am I wrong?

No, you're 100% right. And the Palantir connection is important because Palantir, under Peter Thiel and under Donald Trump, this first year of his administration, second administration in 2025, they've gotten huge contracts and millions of dollars. And of course, ICE continues to get a bloated budget, which I think is not something people should be celebrating. And ultimately, I mean, you know, back to the point you were making earlier about your views about being Christian conservative and having, you know, thinking that border policy should be enforced, but also not. Not supporting what's happening. You know, I want to take off my journalist hat for a second and just from my activist kind of philosophy perspective, you know, I. I'm in a libertarian, anarchist, I'm a voluntarist. I don't necessarily believe government should be in charge of borders in a perfect world, but I also recognize that that's not the world we live in. Right. So I'm not somebody who thinks we should just have open borders and, and flood in whoever. But I also don't think that what we're seeing right now is correct or like I said, constitutional or moral in any way, constitution, whatever. It's just not a moral thing to be supporting. But I guess my message here is that I think that we need more people who see themselves as conservatives, limited government, Republicans, small government, whatever that means for some people who still hold on to those values to say that you can take the position you're taking, Shannon, that you can be a small government, limited government, conservative, Republican MAGA, and believe in border policy and still say that this is wrong. I think that there is a space for that to say, I want to enforce border policy. But the optics of this are not good. The optics of giving ICE pretty much carte blanche to just go around and harass anybody in the streets, which is absolutely what's happening. I mean, there's been reporting that at least a couple hundred Americans have already been detained. And these videos they're. They're circulating, these are just a couple of videos, the ones we're talking about today. There are plenty of videos that are not going viral that are not getting the attention they deserve where ICE is just randomly stopping cars and just harassing people, where ICE is going onto people's private property. I've seen videos of that where somebody, again, maybe they're heckling them from their front porch as ICE is walking through the streets. And next thing you know, ICE is running onto the front porch, say, give me your id. Who are you? You know, what are you about? And that is all illegal. It's all unconstitutional. So again, I think that there needs to be a space for conservatives to say, I support the enforcement of border policy and immigration policy. I don't support the militarization of the streets. I don't support the authoritarianism. I don't support giving ICE freedom to bother anybody without repercussion. Because I guarantee you, I mean, I don't even think we need to wait for an investigation to find out. And I hope and pray I'm wrong, but that the officer who shot Renee Goode is not going to be held accountable for anything. The officer who dragged this young man at the target.

And welcome back, everyone. Sorry about that. We were talking about very, very important topics, Derek. And actually busting through the two party political paradigm, exposing the psyops in Minnesota. Maybe that's why our, we had some technical difficulties in that last segment, but thank you to Annie for taking care of things. We are joined by Derek Brose. He's going to be with us for just a couple more minutes. Derek, before I let you go, I want to replay the insane statements that were made by to your point. We need more conservatives to put their heads on straight. Remember the Constitution, remember the rule of law, common sense and just plain sanity. Get their heads out of Donald Trump's rear end and, and start calling a spade a spade. All right. And clearly Steve Bannon is interesting. Steve Bannon, the guy who lured his entire audience to Capitol Hill on January 6th so that they could be geo fenced and tracked and surveilled by drone technology. By the way, that was Palantir, then rounded up by Capitol Police, Derek, and having their rights and their constitutional rights absolutely crushed in that action. So many of them languished in the D.C. gulag for years without representation, due process, I mean, you name it, and, and people like Steve Bannon, people on the right had a lot to say about that. The overreach, the militarization of Capitol Police and the infringement on their rights. They have nothing to say about what's happening in Minnesota. We'll start there. But you know, these were the, the, the comments made by Mark Mitchell, a Rasmussen pollster and Republican influencer. That I believe indicates where they want to go with this. To your point, and why, again, we need as many people to wake up as as possible in the next few months, because we cannot let them achieve this. Let's take a look at that statement, and then we'll go for final statements from Derek in just a moment.

Troops that we never, never fired. Like, let's get some people up there. Let's do it in California. Let's do it in New York. Let's do it in New j. And now what?

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Oh, we lost it. Hey, Annie, can we try that again? I think we lost the video. Did we lose any California?

Let's do it in New York. Let's do it in New Jersey. And so here's where I think it matters. Like, this is not the same America 10 years ago that kind of cared about the Constitution and all the finer details about entitlement reform and red versus blue policy. No, again, these people think the system has failed. They want a brutal return to order, and they want people held accountable. And so what Trump could do between now and November is just like, surge these cities with everybody. Like, forget just ice. People protest ice. Are people going to protest the United States Marine Corps? Let's, you know, use the Insurrection Act. Or what about all those 80,000 armed IRS troops that we never, never fired? Like, let's get some people up there. Let's do it in California. Let's do it in New York. Let's do it in New Jersey. And now what? Laser.

Okay, okay.

All right. That was Mark Mitchell. Yeah, Derek. And this is key. We're not the same people that we were 10 years ago. He's talking about conservatives. He said, we're not the same people that we were 10 years ago that cared about the Constitution. That's the play. That's the play.

It's a psyop. It's a psyop to get people who, again, as I said earlier, who are typically the people who care about limited government and the Constitution, which let's. Let's be real, for the most part, the left doesn't really, you know, pay much attention to those things. They want to expand the government, as we saw during COVID Yeah. And he's trying to sort of set that talking point into the minds of the listeners, saying, yeah, maybe you cared about the Constitution 10 years ago, but times have changed. Now. We need a brutal return to power, as he said there. And also, the other thing that caught my ear was his mentioning of, oh, what about those 20,000 or 10,000, whatever it was IRS agents that never got fired. So you went from let's abolish the IRS and all that sort of talk with people in Trump's cabinet and his going to do something about it, or their IRS is targeting conservatives. Now it's like, let's take those people and let's militarize them and put them on the streets. I mean, I'm laughing, but it's sad. It's very sad. And what makes me more sad is that there are people who are probably hearing that and thinking it's a great idea and embracing it. I absolutely, again, think that this has been a long game to take the people who believe in the Second Amendment, who oppose the federal government and who oppose a strong central government and have been concerned about government tyranny for decades. Something that the left is pretty much, oh, come on, you guys are just being right wing, craziest. And now mostly it's the left opposing it. Of course they're, they're opposing it on this one issue. They were pretty silent during COVID But you're taking that crowd of people who typically would be the ones to resist this and to oppose it, and now you're getting them in a position where they are thinking that this is, this is something that they should embrace. I just wanted to add another point real quick that I was saying before we got cut off that all of this is really a result of the militarization that we've seen in the United States post 911 with the war of terror and all of the weapons that were used in the Middle East. And they eventually came back to the United States under the federal 1033 program, which allowed local police departments to buy surplus equipment from the military. And that includes L. Red sound cannons, the tanks, the drones. That's why you see local police departments being militarized the last decade plus, and the immunity that was granted to police when they act violent towards their citizens is the same type of immunity that is now being extended to agencies like ice. And so I think that these problems can all be traced back to what we've seen, this explosion of militarization of all police departments, local, state and federal in the post 911 world. But now it's being applied specifically to the immigration issue. And so it's kind of like we went from 9 11, you had the, the, the war on terror and the focus on, on terrorism just in terms of Middle Eastern terrorism and things like that. And then some talk about domestic terrorism. But now we're seeing it switch to narco terrorism, for example, like what we're seeing with Venezuela. And in a lot of the immigration issue, it's being, it's being boosted because people have been told, well, the streets of the United States have been flooded with drugs coming from cartels, which is partially true in some cases, but that's also the excuse that's being used in order to justify this. Well, we have violent illegal immigrants, we have violent cartels flooding the streets of drugs. Therefore, we need to shred the Constitution or at least set it aside. And these people are mistaken because they believe this is only going to be applied to illegals. As we've been showing today, this is going to come back and it will eventually land at your doorstep if you embrace it.

Derek Bros, Very astute observations. Before I let you go, why is Steve Bannon always in the middle of these psyops? Like what? What is it about Steve Bannon that puts him at the center point of so many of these really important paradigm shifting moments within the conservative movement? I mean, he is the guy that ushered in Donald Trump, who, as we all know, was a left leaning, you know, liberal New York City Democrat his entire life. Okay. I mean, but it's just interesting. I mean, you might not have any observations on that, but I just. Steve Bannon always has himself in the middle of all of this.

He's an important player even. And I've written about him in some different ways. I mean, obviously he's not, as far as we know, publicly in the second Trump administration like he was in the first one, but he definitely is an important player in this. And you can go back and, you know, I encourage people to go back and look at the original research of the Cambridge Analytica scandal and Steve Bannon's ties to Cambridge Analytica. Look up the Israeli side group and there's their project called Project Rome. There's some interesting Israeli ties. There's some interesting information about how the Trump campaign, although we don't have the, you know, the document to prove it, we definitely can see some connections between Bannon, between the Israeli side group and how they, they were from the very beginning scooping up social media data in order to understand how to send out the messages that they knew would either excite the base or piss them off. And I think that that information is still being used by people like Bannon. So I do think he's still an important player in the Trump administration, even if it's not something we're seeing publicly.

And remember, he had that night long sit down in collaboration with Jeffrey Epstein. They were working together. Steve Bannon was working with Jeffrey Epstein to try to rehabilitate his character after he was to get out of prison. So what does that tell you? Derrick Bros, Great work. So thankful for your voice. His handle on twitterbroslive Free is the handle on Twitter. And his organization is the consciousresistance.com Please support them. You can support Derek, support his team. We need more independent truth tellers out there. Keep up the great work. Okay, Derek.

Thank you so much. Shannon. Have a good day.

All right. You too. The Derrick Rose and I told you guys that you were going to enjoy the interview with really, really important voice out there.